In 1982, In Singapore, LOKPAL BILL was implemented and 142 Corrupt Ministers & Officers were arrested in one single day.. Today Singapore has only 1% poor people & no taxes are paid by the people to the government, 92% Literacy Rate, Better Medical Facilities, Cheaper Prices, 90% Money is white & Only 1% Unemployment exists.. Just because comman man doesn't understand doesn't mean he is not fed up off the system. Its his way of protest. Please read the government's version of Bill and Anna's fasting is forceful, I agree but such selfish politicians don't listen any other language. Team Anna sent about 500 letters to government requesting a meeting to discuss this issue when did not listen. Once, he fasted they listened to him.....why didn't they talk to a team of people before all this. Why not have a strong bill even if it is not Jan Lokpall. Anything to remove Kalmadi's and Raja's of the nation. Democracy everyone has a right to protest and government and you say that its not fair they say if anything its going to be govn fault why not.....why are they sitting and ignoring? Why not hard action ....why not table it in parliament and put it for vote?

@Furo-- Liked it, +1'ed it.

@Anonymous- If you're referring to Prevention of Corruption Act of Singapore, it came into effect in 1960, not 1982.

Anyways, you can't compare Singapore to India. It's much, much, much smaller, and it's got plenty of autocratic elements. They are super strict about everything (try sneaking chewing gum into the country). And they do have taxes... I'm not even going to bother to check the rest of the "facts" you've written. And going by your point, ff everyone does have a right to protest, then let those who don't support the Anna Hazare tamasha protest in their own way, such as by blogging. And nowhere are any of us saying not to introduce the bill in Parliament.

Your post heading itself tells what kind of thought process you have. You question on many things but actually you don't do anything...We want somebody who does that little change than sitting quietly and posting...

your solution looks like to bring a change you need to become PM(by forming govt). I suggest you start your political journey today to become that PM and please bring in the change(Wherever you are).

why you are just cooking the food and eating...Why dont you seed the plants,grow the filed, harvest it and then eat it....

FYI, many ppl start the political journey to make a change...unfortunately people are being changed...

You are in star hotel and you cannot eat raw food whn others eating well cooked,tasting food. you just change by time!!

just be cool take it +vly

Thanks for atleast knowing the situation...

anyways i dont have time...

@Furobiker - Even M K Gandhi is looked down upon by quite a few Indians. There are people who blame him for partition and for other bad segments from history. I am not a supporter of fast until death but I give credit to Anna for one thing - for spreading the word about Lokpal Bill to a billion Indians. I was not aware of any such bill before this movement started. Oh of course, you must have been but I won't ask you that. If you think forming a party is a nice way to approach it, try doing it. For the comment about blogging our thoughts on Lokpal, please go on and do it but I don't think that the government will give a damn to any such blog even if it gets a million views in two days. I am not asking you to support the movement but if you so detest it and yet want to protest, why don't show another way and get the government to listen to you and you do all this with your sanity in place and take a decent approach, exclude any even that engages the mob and set an example.

Hey Furo, atleast there is someone who has guts to take this up with the goverment. Some one who is a common man and is shaking up the goverment and the people in thier chairs. Agreed its not a 100% thing, like others, Lokpal bill can be worked on too..

Its time that there is change..and I really think and agree with you that ppl should be educated about this.

Its simple..rishvat khao mat, aur khilao mat...

Childwoman~

@Furobiker..An Awesone post!! You have shown the true picture of events, which these self-proclaimed Gandhians and their supporters have very conveniently turned a blind eye to.

In my opinion, the Jan Lokpal is highly flawed and will end up opening an additional arena for even more corruption. And yes, blackmailing the government by not eating for 10 days is not the correct approach. Today Anna is doing it, tomorrow someone else will start doing it for some other bill or law.

I agree the government was wrong in arresting the man before he even started protesting. However, his team also very shrewdly milked this mistake to their own advantage and created a media hype. I bet if it was not for the Tihar Jail incident, not even 10% of the people around India would have known or cared about his hunger strike!

1. If anyone and everyone can eventually be bought by those who're already rich(via corruption), then you're effectively implying that we can't have a way of rooting out corruption EVER. I disagree.
2. True, most of supporters don't even know what is in the Lokpal bill. They trust. In people who're supporting Anna. I trust in Kiran Bedi, just like uneducated ppl did in APJ kalam when he made India a N-nation, without knowing how. But yes, I agree, blind worship is dangerous.
3. About arm-twisting, the example you mention is self-evident,
jobless retired old guy...
will anyone give it to him? No. Are they giving it to Anna? Yes.
Anna is not right merely by virtue of opposing govt or using the 'anti-corruption' slogan, but by the value of bill he's proposing. If there are flaws in that bill, they should be ironed, by people who understand it appropriately (and not u and me honestly) - w.r.t. long term socio-politico-economic effects.

I don't support Anna the man, I support what he proposes (to the extent I understand it).

A post with valid points, expressed in your classic over-the-top manner :).

Personally, I feel corruption is a much more complex issue than can be solved by one single bill and a monolithic agency. As far as I am concerned, I am trying to read up as much as possible on this so as to form an informed opinion first :).

Some great resources are at the Prajyna page on Lokpal, including the proposals from NCPRI (the folks who fought for, and got the RTI bill -- it took many years, starting from 1996), and this FAQ from the Acorn.

cheers,
-A

Gr8 post...I was about to write on this topic in a day or so...but you came first :-P
Anyways, Mr. Anna Hazare has a well planned approach for this...his media strategy is awesome...I think he should give lectures in B-schools for training sales professionals...janta ko bina soche samjhe mana to lia hai apne liye

Furo I think Anna's popularity has got more to do with complete lack of Coherent and Credible Leadership in the Government.
a HUGE no of people have no idea of the pros and cons pf the two LokPal bills.
But people are willing to support anyone who is Righteous and inspires Trust.Anna's antics get support because folks are sick of Kalamadi/Raja/Yeddurappa Antics.This does not make them Right.But in these wrong times what is Right?
We Indians mostly cheer ourselves by Tamashas :)

When some self proclaimed idiots( this is for the word morons) who does have certain degree of intellectual arraogance and don,t support Anna hazare to show a sense of elitism, they should suggest me following for enlightenment:-

A:- Is the demand for an effective ombudsman is a legitimate concern or not ?

B:- Is the way of protest is not prescribed within our constitution frame work or not ??

C:-If our parliamentry institutions are so sacred that one can,t raise there voice against it then, what is the role of people of India in this whole exercise, just to wait for another 5 years, and see the taxpayers money being looted as it is going from past 65 years.

D:-If the thing is to bye-passing parliamnet on a gun point then you are wrong because Team Anna was pressing for there demands on the every possible corner of the political circle on a deaf ears.

E:-Do you think political class intentions is clear to pass an effective omudsman bill withina framework of time.

F:-Are you also among the one who in fact have a hidden fear that in the garb of this movement the right wing forces will have a revival on the political arena(ask this from your heart)

G:Finally show me a better way ,to protest then Anna,s way ,that will make our govt understand for a justified demand with in constitution then i will also stand behind you.

Ignore typing error as i am a supporter of VII grade fail truck driver of military who is working on my conscience as well billions of Indians now.

Abhishek,
Have you heard of the phrase "chaat mat!!" I think you could use that on some people .

Corruption starts from the day we start cheating in our exams.
since Mars se log ayenge nahi , isliye pehle khud ko sudharna chahiye.

p.s : since everyone was calling u "Furo" I called u by your real name ;)

Hello sir..
I agree with you to some extent. The movement which is claimed that it is spontaneous is not correct but it is well strategised, organised, managed and branded by professionals.There are certain questions which also must be asked by team Anna.
My first question to Team Anna is
Why did they pick up a 74 years oldman, least educated in their team, when there are also many young and highly educated people available in their team.
Why these people stick to impose their will as bill. The bill has many contentious issues among political parties and civil society groups.
Why only Arvind Kejriwal & Kiran Bedi are dealing with politicians enen while abusing them each & every time?
Why this section of civil society don't believe in Government but there are also other sections such as Aruna Roy group etc does have?

Why these people are branding Anna as Second Gandhi. Anna,having expertise of fast unto death more than Gandhi, why didn't choose other methods like civil disobedience, noncooperation etc movement. The fast unto death is the last resort and Gandhi used to follow this in extreme conditions.It will be unfortunate to compare Anna with Gandhi.

It is actually hyped by media where the media houses get a good cosumable news without understanding the whole aspects of corruption and are creating undue and undemocratic pressure on Parliament to discuss Janlokpal Bill leaving behind all its work behind.

Though, I would say Anna is simple, patriot, good social worker but is being misused and misguided by his so called team Anna to satisfy their ego.
After appeal from Parliament to break of the fast, Anna didn't do so has not only undermine the polity for future but have shown immaturity by his coterie.
Kiran Bedi & Arvind Kejriwal seem to score among their NGO groups.
This move has not only jeopardise the democratic structure but also other NGO sectors.

Good POst. Loved it

Finally "Morons" have won the half battel ,arrogant cynics are yet clueless, how VII grade fail truck driver has worked on the conscience of billion plus people.

Now i am waiting for your another version eagerly

Jai Hind.

take it cool dude, Mr. Furo(stolen Surname). just for the sake of being different from mass u can have STUPID saying on anything everytime, so I am not surprised on that. Try to educate urself and open ur mind, get some rationalism pill(errr sorry it's still not available :D). U will OK someday.

Hum bhartiyon ko yeh aadat sadiyon se hai ki jub tak koi hume chikh chikh kar na uthaye tub tak hum jagte hi nahi agar aisa nahi hota to humara desh sau saal tak gulam nahi rahta bahoot jaldi aazad ho jaata . YE humare khoon me hai to chalo anna hi sahi kisi ki awaz to logo ke kaano me pari,hume nahi pata kitna corruption kum hoga ya kitna nahi lekin dimand karne wala ya offer karne wala dono hi hichkichaenge mangne ya dene me ki kahi anna bhakat se to baat nahi kar raha. aur jaha tak retired jobless old guy ki baat hai to wahi ye kaam kar sakta hai . koi bhee young kaamkaji vayakti aage aa hi nahi sakta jab tuk uska apna koi savaarth siddh nahi ho arre bhai usne bhi to apni sari sponsbilitiespoori karni hai parivaar ke prati
aur jaha tak govt. ki baat hai sidhi aawaz se to uske kaan per joon bhi nahi rengti use bhi aadat hai ki jub tak koi hunger strike pe na jaye uski indriya kaam hi nahi karati. uske chakshu aisi hi strikes se khulte hai.to logo ko jagane ke liye hi aage aaye hai Agar hum soche ki anna ko poltics me aa jana chahiye to party do chhar dus logo se nahi banti kuchh log imandari se desh ka bhala sochne wale honge lekin baaki neta phir wahi honge jo bharashtaachar ke liye haye haye to karte hai par bahati ganga me haath dhone se baaj nahi aate ,aise to phir ek chor party khari ho jayegi. Anna to ek prateek hai sarkar ko chetane ka ki yahan lok tantre hai wahi rahne do doosre netao ko samne rakh kar apna samantvad mat chalao jahan tak corruption ka savaal hai to ye gana hi padega KOI HAI CHAALAK AADMI KOI SEEDHA SADA HUM ME SE HER EK HAI BHARASHTACHARI KUM HAI KOI JAYADA YAAR HUMARI BAAT SUNO AISA EK INSAAN SUNO JISNE BHARASHTRACHAR NA KIYA HO BHARASHTRACHARI NA HO seedhi sachchi baat shuruwat to hume hi karni hogi hum denge nahi to wo lega kaise? bus anna to logo ko jagane ka kaam kar rahe hai ki apne adhikaro ke liye govt se sawal karo na ki govt, corruption,. mahaengai ko koste hue apne darbo me chhupe raho.aur sarkar ko cheta rahe hai ki ek aam admi bhee apnadhikaro ko paana chahe to paa sakta hai tum use rok nahi sakte BUS ISEE LIYE DESH KO ANNA KI AUR US JAISE ANEK ANNAO KI JAROORAT HAI. kavita

in india people dont follow every person.you are sying that Today Anna is doing it, tomorrow someone else will start doing it for some other bill or law.dear if you think that it is easy for anyone to do fast and all india will follow him then please try yourself and see the result even your neghbours will not stand with you.i know its still difficult to pass this bill from parliment becasue of "k" company(kapil sibal, lungi babu,Man mohan singh,sona gandhi) otherwise they hv to stop their swiss bank accounts. this is just 1 step forward for achieving real democracy

hehehe neither do i. but i am seriously amazed at the hysteria a post has created.The comments just keep on flowing eh? :D

@Cherry ji - hehe.l. bada mazaa aa raha hai logo ke comment padne me :D

I was not aware of anything about Anna , but your way of thinking seems very reasonable to me and I suppose you are absolutely right!

Man and Van

There are lots of rights with no protection...

when Police can be bought why not the lokpal guys :D

but let's hope this lokpal thingy will bring revolution :D

Sourish